Friday, November 17, 2017

WAtts speaks & entertains and reminds us more. Alan Watts talk transcribed.

Watts.World.As.Play.         “pt 4 – World as Play”

This talk transcribed here for fun & to learning, again..[this was typed as heard on KPFK radio talk broadcast and some words or transitions may seem awkward, some were in talk and some not noticed as fingers typed but sometimes slower than words flowed...punctuations not corrected for exact properness but the FLOW of words heard, Alan Watts' thoughts, & his stream-of-consciousness as he spoke = are contained pretty intact here. 

{brackets] are used for my inserted words to clarify.  
"Quote marks " are left off of each sentence or paragraph, for easier reading.

at bottom are other links for sources to listen, read, learn more about Watts' materials available on line ...tho not a full list of resources. Some found, shared for convenience here. 


Most of this is shared here to be offered as : REMINDERS, and to PROVOKE CREATIVE thinking, to move us all out of stuckness,&  out of commonplace/ ordinary/ conformist modes. that induce confusion or misery. Freeing UP what we understand about life, death, and eastern philosophies assists most of 'us' in living more fully, openly, and in unison, together. 

Enjoy  :


"   neither class would know who they were with out the other. need “out”-group to have an "in”-group…to be chosen/ in synagogue need to separate out from ‘others’ outsiders to know you are ‘in’ …beyond the village to feel protected, to feel you are there…

so bodies have skins, eggs have shells – inside vs outside
but understood as SYMBIOSIS – crucial important matter

to understand politics, social conflicts, conflicts between biological species is symbiosis
mutual support mostly like bees & flowers

which came first ? we cant tell, which came before the other but cant have either w/o other so different in appearance in space but constitute a Single Organism…


same man and women, takes 1 of ea to produce a human being – we are man/woman arrangement …tho look-like we are individuals and separate from ea other but is not the case at all….

same is between groups that appear to be hostile to ea other...real basis is that biological order is a EATING society, mutually eating up the other…

realize you are a ‘compound of murders’ and a bag of water, human organism is mainly water held by complex arabesque of stuff that makes up skin, muscle, organs…that was some other being before you could be that tensile film to hold water in you as “you”.

we are predatory creature, more than any others in nature, more than sharks, piranhas or eagles but they stay within their range of territory- ocean, air, water…vs. man preys on living and minerals any where , everywhere….


our civilization sits on sewage dump sending playthings at moon
our misuse of water in our civilization is horrifying !

see how we use water uneconomical ways…we re predatory monster eating up the planet.     humans are in danger cuz they refused to be mutually eaten up and only want to be eater, never eaten, [ so never die ! ] 




to just be mummified, embalmed and never even return to organic earth, never return to ‘earth’ or ‘dirt’ but kept from being recycled.  we are reducing wild animals, bird, even farming animals changes into pseudo animals because in huge animal/farm chickens, animals are not same, taste different, constitute different than they do ‘in wild’

“I love you so much I could eat you”…but you cannot love a whole farm bin of chickens – reduced into stuff that is not real, like flour converted into Styrofoam called ‘bread’ but doesn’t taste like it in natural form  ! like pabulum given to babies who spit it back out…a miserable paste vs. being bread. or a live chicken vs. artificially manipulated to seem/look like

we eat things look like chalk & string because we don’t love what we eat, no respect for raw materials…all groups need an enemy group, that preys upon it is also a kind of Friend…cuz enemy proves your own groups, keeps you on your toes to defend against it so you stay fit, vs. flabby….

we have lost meaning of chivalry…in all conflict situations, …were before customs to a fight that saluted ea other before fighting, bow, shake hands- recognize an ‘honorable’ opponent whom fight is an important matter/ event/ act. 

that is essential law of survival – recognize enemies [not predatory locusts who do not re sow, replace what they take -  ] must respect the species because you will need them again to grow to nurture /feed you/ or to sell them to others for food/ resource

absolutely necessary to have an out-group so you can have an in-group, beginning of sociability  - contained conflict, in-group must realize it NEEDS the out-group, vs. getting rid of them ,…


i.e. get rid of communists from earth as external threat – while they say same tho their politics would fall apart if they didn’t have an ‘enemy’ to fight and organize around their enemies ! under fear, external threat that humans get together to cooperate, or they don’t.

humans need an external menace, so that menace is friendly to the group in being useful and needed., big or small groups…

game is “I’m more tolerant than you are “ game played by religions…can only transcend by humor and both need to laugh at Game Played…you are necessary for me to have my opinion – that is secret of humor, someone else to laugh at or with ?

the nature of your self…we have cultural linguistic background that sets up how we experience ‘self’ as an enclosed island, confronted by enormous out-group called universe…inside body, soft sensitive reality is ‘me’ while outside I don’t feel and don’t know/sense you, so you are ‘alien’…

so world as physical entity, process is an organization that goes on for all eternity but individual is in it for brief occurrence.


man is tiny little germ living on obscure rock around star near one of many galaxies…
so we feel/ think ‘maybe, I don’t belong here at all ‘

any universe can be called ‘the center’ of it, but All pts are the center too…. if we can see that we can make a psychological adjustment to our life situation and learn how /what we call “I”  is not a poor little puppet, but the situation of being central to all things is a kind of distortion of true situation….

that I-ness and be-ing, existence are the same thing… as sense of self requires sense of other…sense of being here requires the interval of apparent nothingness that we call “death”.

life goes with death as “other”,….crest of wave and troth of wave...go together...as intervals.   survival of individual personality seems critical to us, but understand that real “you’ is not the individual….


i.e. a circle…represents universe, then draw rays from circle so drawing tangents to circle meet at points outside it, so star w/ea ray points to entire diameter of star, turn it inside out, so rays go inside circle, whole circle focuses itself at innumerable points within in…..

Soul is not in body but body is in the soul…focused in time/ place, as here/now.
that is what you really are…galaxies seem far off and have nothing to do with you…


are ..you…all is in you too

we cant get at all the universe…not like billiard balls…always indescribable and indefinable…as is your own mind…you cannot find name for color of vision…color of lens of eye so we call it ‘transparent’ – no color…


as mirror has no color or it could into reflect colors, so at root of all experience is the non-experience, which is fundamental.

it can never be described by experiences within it…it lies between light/darkness life/death, coming/going but never can be ‘possessing’ it because it IS you…

because invisible intangible nature of this reality, we tend to for-get all about it and become fascinated instead with subsidiary features inside of ‘it’…it has no color, no shape that can be defined because have to outside itself to define itself    [even from space stations ?] …


and conscious attn always concentrates on figures that is part of the Background …and total background [as is Tillich’s “ ground of being” ] escapes our attention…so we fail to notice it…

we prefer movies and stories as if you were in mortal danger of being eaten up…and enjoy that horror instead of recognizing that daily we take sides, we cant actually take sides because both/ more are needed, you ARE both inside & outside, cant take 1 side vs the other, but you are BOTH…and all

so liberation, Hinduism, Buddhism, Daoism is to be aware of eternity and infinity of ea of us not separable…not personal immortality to go out with memory of this life or past lives which we may have been, to get pleasure of heaven as we are by name , to be exclusive [ego proud] as “Mary” or "Watts"…


if you remembered for ever and ever and had continuous cumulative experience, after a while you would want to forget…

forgetting is as important as remembering…as eating is to excrement…
analogy of mind to digestive system…forgetting is important to mental function, why we sleep, have intervals of unconscious to renew things…to remember things after a going-away-rest-sleep-dream…

but if you want to always be who you are, you have to Die First and see it all as You.
all initiation ceremonies are a symbolic Death…various rituals people put in coffins, books of dead are references to initiation rites & processes where you DIE to become alive ..again….

thinking about death is productive…imagine consciousness to cease ad never return again ! never wake up…. consider this and teases you out of ‘thought’...how to start out of nothing at all, as you were when you were born…teases you out of thinking…

if you arrived out of space ?   stop thinking, imagining to get to Creative Moment when thought is nonplussed, at that pt you get to your self…same as you can’t conceive you self in universe, you cant conceive of these Q either

if you think long enough about death, possibility of total disappearance, and for you a total disappearance of everything else too…a curious flip, yang turns into ying. infinite nothing when you die is same one as when you were born..                                                         .remember millions yrs of what you were before you were born ? see how it flips ?

from objective observation, there will be babies born, baby humans, snakes, spiders, fish, billions…some die and some are born later, so you will be everyone of those babies …but every baby can only Experience as One At A Time – that is the GAME 



you cant experience yourself as being all the beings, coagulated into 1 ..but you ARE all of those that are born, tho ea experiences themselves as a singular …

when you die you may experience same as when you were born, as a human or fish…
but if a fish, you will be where you feel you are a ‘human’/ center species and all others are ‘fish’ – others  =repeating same theme   - reason for many species and many consciousness…

you don’t have to believe in any supernatural situation…there is no difference between molecules composing your hand, no space between what is your hands or other vibrations, as sounds heard vs. space in which they are ‘heard’ …. as can be slowed waves that sound like grunts vs. words… can hear spaces between vibrations…

makes perfect sense…discontinuous sounds to make sense to our minds …looks like it continues as there are spaces between words but there is all 

[white space defines font / print and both needed to create readability,as print…]

can imagine being dead when dead and say ‘particles’ vs. continuous waves being the vibrations being

can never escape duality which requires non duality
the system is rigged, you are IT !

you learn to be bugged, phased by eventualities…as baby you are pushed into this by society, babies know who they are    [like the 

oceanic experience babies have per Freud]    w/o words that define …  

we want to teach babies to talk to tell us how it is when they cannot talk …babies experience whole world as their own body, doesn’t differentiate between baby and mother…we didn’t have words to put memories into…memories require notations, words, thus spaces and language, thoughts..

to a baby nothing has a special value, all is changing …like sounds vary, a play of energy and movement, nothing until told it is ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ shape, sound…but baby knows all is…continuous.. until TAUGHT to separate ea section by name/ label and it all just goes onnnnnnnn    


and there are no intervals except as we define/ then teach it to babies….

as the  ' big bang' are all systems of energies that have fallen out but were all unified, so nothing was going on before it banged ? everything that happens 1x can happen again

….  so it is a meta physical leap of faith ? but cant be proven either way, as is or isn’t.
so don’t worry about not retaining your personal identity because you would be bored w/ it if you could or it will Kill You... and it does !

human life is looked  upon as seasons…  .as Japanese poetry writes re rhythm of seasons …as in life cycles is similar…and you will dis-appear and re-appear…but you could re-appear in form similar to what you re now, as 2 performances of same musical piece are same composition but not same performance….


and every conceivable possibility is going on and on ..thru ‘time’ …

an essential step of meditation is to see everything as non-sense
Buddhist talk about seeing everything as ‘suchness’ 


as sounds of "dadada"…rhythms, nothing matters, if you die is one kind of jazz, if you live it is another jazz, don’t matter either way…becomes obvious that you are continuous life with everything around you…going "raptaraptarapta"….


life  bonging on the same drum….and you are the drum

as you start to grow up,   [nothing or all ends here ] 


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neither class would know who they were with out the other. need “out”-group to have an "in”-group…to be chosen/ in synagogue need to separate out from ‘others’ outsiders to know you are ‘in’ …beyond the village to feel protected, to feel you are there…

so bodies have skins, eggs have shells – inside vs outside
but understood as SYMBIOSIS – crucial important matter

to understand politics, social conflicts, conflicts between biological species is symbiosis
mutual support mostly like bees & flowers

which came first ? we cant tell, which came before the other but cant have either w/o other so different in appearance in space but constitute a Single Organism…
same man and women, takes 1 of ea to produce a human being – we are man/woman arrangement …tho look-like we are individuals and separate from ea other but is not the case at all….       
                                                 
same is between groups that appear to be hostile to ea other...real basis is that biological order is a EATING society, mutually eating up the other…
                                                  

                                         Image result for alan watts google image

realize you are a ‘compound of murders’ and a bag of water, human organism is mainly water held by complex arabesque of stuff that makes up skin, muscle, organs…that was some other being before you could be that tensile film to hold water in you as “you”.

we are predatory creature, more than any others in nature, more than sharks, piranhas or eagles but they stay within their range of territory- ocean, air, water…vs. man preys on living and minerals any where , everywhere….
our civilization sits on sewage dump sending playthings at moon
our misuse of water in our civilization is horrifying !

see how we use water uneconomical ways…we re predatory monster eating up the planet.     humans are in danger cuz they refused to be mutually eaten up and only want to be eater, never eaten, [ so never die ! ]

to just be mummified, embalmed and never even return to organic earth, never return to ‘earth’ or ‘dirt’ but kept from being recycled.  we are reducing wild animals, bird, even farming animals changes into pseudo animals because in huge animal/farm chickens, animals are not same, taste different, constitute different than they do ‘in wild’

“I love you so much I could eat you”…but you cannot love a whole farm bin of chickens – reduced into stuff that is not real, like flour converted into Styrofoam called ‘bread’ but doesn’t taste like it in natural form  ! like pabulum given to babies who spit it back out…a miserable paste vs. being bread. or a live chicken vs. artificially manipulated to seem/look like

we eat things look like chalk & string because we don’t love what we eat, no respect for raw materials…all groups need an enemy group, that preys upon it is also a kind of Friend…cuz enemy proves your own groups, keeps you on your toes to defend against it so you stay fit, vs. flabby….

we have lost meaning of chivalry…in all conflict situations, …were before customs to a fight that saluted ea other before fighting, bow, shake hands- recognize an ‘honorable’ opponent whom fight is an important matter/ event/ act. 

that is essential law of survival – recognize enemies [not predatory locusts who do not re sow, replace what they take -  ] must respect the species because you will need them again to grow to nurture /feed you/ or to sell them to others for food/ resource

absolutely necessary to have an out-group so you can have an in-group, beginning of sociability  - contained conflict, in-group must realize it NEEDS the out-group, vs. getting rid of them ,…i.e. get rid of communists from earth as external threat – while they say same tho their politics would fall apart if they didn’t have an ‘enemy’ to fight and organize around their enemies ! under fear, external threat that humans get together to cooperate, or they don’t.

humans need an external menace, so that menace is friendly to the group in being useful and needed., big or small groups…

game is “I’m more tolerant than you are “ game played by religions…can only transcend by humor and both need to laugh at Game Played…you are necessary for me to have my opinion – that is secret of humor, someone else to laugh at or with ?

the nature of your self…we have cultural linguistic background that sets up how we experience ‘self’ as an enclosed island, confronted by enormous out-group called universe…inside body, soft sensitive reality is ‘me’ while outside I don’t feel and don’t know/sense you, so you are ‘alien’…

so world as physical entity, process is an organization that goes on for all eternity but individual is in it for brief occurrence.
man is tiny little germ living on obscure rock around star near one of many galaxies…
so we feel/ think ‘maybe, I don’t belong here at all ‘

any universe can be called ‘the center’ of it, but All points are the center too…. if we can see that we can make a psychological adjustment to our life situation and learn how /what we call “I”  is not a poor little puppet, but the situation of being central to all things is a kind of distortion of true situation….

that I -ness and be -ing, existence are the same thing… as sense of self requires sense of other…sense of being here requires the interval of apparent nothingness that we call “death”.

life goes with death as “other”,….crest of wave and troth of wave...go together...as intervals.   survival of individual personality seems critical to us, but understand that real “you’ is not the individual….i.e. a circle….represents universe, then draw rays from circle so drawing tangents to circle meet at pts outside it, so star w/ea ray points to entire diameter of star, turn it inside out, so rays go inside circle, whole circle focuses itself at innumerable points within in…..

Soul is not in body but body is in the soul…focused in time/ place, as here/now.
that is what you really are…galaxies seem far off and have nothing to do with you…are ..you…all is in you too…
                                                              

                                             Image result for alan watts google image

we cant get at all the universe…not like billiard balls…always indescribable and indefinable…as is your own mind…you cannot find name for color of vision…color of lens of eye so we call it ‘transparent’ – no color…as mirror has no color or it could into reflect colors, so at root of all experience is the non-experience, which is fundamental.

it can never be described by experiences within it…it lies between light/darkness life/death, coming/going but never can be ‘possessing’ it because it IS you…

because invisible intangible nature of this reality, we tend to for-get all about it and become fascinated instead with subsidiary features inside of ‘it’…it has no color, no shape that can be defined because have to outside itself to define itself [even from space stations ?] …and conscious attn always concentrates on figures that is part of the Background …and total background [as is Tillich’s “ ground of being” ] escapes our attn…so we fail to notice it…

we prefer movies and stories as if you were in mortal danger of being eaten up…and enjoy that horror instead of recognizing that daily we take sides, we cant actually take sides because both/ more are needed, you ARE both inside & outside, cant take 1 side vs the other, but you are BOTH…and all

so liberation, Hinduism, Buddhism, Taoism is to be aware of eternity and infinity of ea of us not separate-able…not personal immortality to go out with memory of this life or past lives which we may have been, to get pleasure of heaven as we are by name , to be exclusive [ego proud] as “Maria” or Watts…if you remembered for ever and ever and had continuous cumulative experience, after a while you would want to forget…

forgetting is as important as remembering…as eating is to excrement…
analogy of mind to digestive system…forgetting is important to mental function, why we sleep, have intervals of unconscious to renew things…to remember things after a going-away-rest-sleep-dream…     



                                  Image result for alan watts  google image


but if you want to always be who you are, you have to Die First and see it all as You.
all initiation ceremonies are a symbolic Death…various rituals people put in coffins, books of dead are references to initiation rites & processes where you DIE to become alive ..again….

thinking about death is productive…imagine consciousness to cease ad never return again ! never wake up…. consider this and teases you out of ‘thought’...how to start out of nothing at all, as you were when you were born…teases you out of thinking…

if you arrived out of space ?   stop thinking, imagining to get to Creative Moment when thought is nonplussed, at that pt you get to your self…same as you can’t concienve you self in universe, you cant conceive of these Q either

if you think long enough about death, possibility of total disappearance, and for you a total disappearance of everything else too…a curious flip, yang turns into ying. infinite nothing when you die is same one as when you were born...remember millions yrs of what you were befote you were born ? see how it flips ?

from objective observation, there will be babies born, baby humans, snakes, spiders, fish, billions…some die and some are born later, so you will be everyone of those babies …but every baby can only Experience as One At A Time – that is the GAME
you cant experience yourself as being all the beings, coagulated into 1 ..but you ARE all of those that are born, tho ea experiences themselves as a singular …

when you die you may experience same as when you were born, as a human or fish…
but if a fish, you will be where you feel you are a ‘human’/ center species and all others are ‘fish’ – others  =repeating same theme   - reason for many species and many consciousness…
                                       
Image result for alan watts google image





you don’t have to believe in any supernatural situation…there is no difference between molecules composing your hand, no space between what is your hands or other vibrations, as sounds heard vs. space in which they are ‘heard’ ….as can be slowed waves that sound like grunts vs. words… can hear spaces between vibrations…

makes perfect sense…discontinuous sounds to make sense to our minds …looks like it continues as there are spaces between words but there is all [white space defines font/print and both needed to create readability, print…]

can imagine being dead when dead and say ‘particles’ vs. continuous waves being the vibrations being

can never escape duality which requires non duality
the system is rigged, you are IT !

you learn to be bugged, phased by eventualities…as baby you are pushed into this by society, babies know who they are [oceanic experience babies have per Freud] w/o words that define …

we want to teach babies to talk to tell us how it is when they cannot talk …babies experience whole world as their own body, doesn’t differentiate between baby and mother…we didn’t have words to put memories into…memories require notations, words, thus spaces and language, thoughts..

to a baby nothing has a special value, all is changing …like sounds vary, a play of energy and movement, nothing until told it is ‘right’ or ‘wrong’ shape, sound…but baby knows all is…continuous.. until TAUGHT to separate ea section by name/ label and it all just goes onnnnnnnn    and there are no intervals except as we define/ then teach it to babies….

as big bang are all systems of energies that have fallen out but were all unified, so nothing was going on before it banged ? everything that happens 1x can happen again

….  so it is a meta physical leap of faith ? but cant be proven either way, as is or isn’t.
so don’t worry about not retaining your personal identity cuz you would be bored w/ it if you could or it will Kill You, and it does !

human life is looked  upon as seasons….as Japanese poetry writes re rhythem of seasons …as in life cycles is similar…and you will dis-appear and re-appear…but you could re-appear in form similar to what you re now, as 2 performances of same musical piece are same composition but not same performance….
and every conceivable possibility is going on and on ..thru ‘time’ …

an essential step of meditation is to see everything as non-sense
Buddhist talk about seeing everything as ‘suchness
as dadada…rhythms, 


nothing matters, if you die is one kind of jazz, if you live it is another jazz, don’t matter either way…becomes obvious that you are continuous life with everything around you…
going raptaraptarapta….life  bonging on the same drum….

and you are the drum…


as you start to grow up"  


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Saturday, November 11, 2017

More Detailed Pacifica $ woes written elsewhere

for more details and information to understand what is Happening to Our Radio Stations and our donations paid up so far:

see :



and the prior postings there as well. 

There is  the best reporting and exposure of what is otherwise held 'secret" and opaque is shared clearly and with a comment section below - for any reader's response as well.

(c) mj     2017

KPFK will be part-paying NY WBAI's debts?

Found elsewhere, are Comments by those most concerned and connected -  re Pacifica's NY station:  WBAI. 

These are selected parts are from Nov 2017 -and are relevant to KPFK equally, even when describing WBAI, since what others are saying, now to each other, also repeats and reflects what has been written here  -for quite a while now.

some quotes below were found a

https://wbai-nowthen.blogspot.com/2017/   and elsewhere.  
 


Because 'Our Radio Stations' in  NY and LA have too many similarities in how Pacifica operate or dysfunctionally try to, many clever ways of saying what IS HAPPENING needs repetition here.  

Some editing to make clear what is said and some emphases-added are here too. And  some Quotes are not being placed in "quotes"  - deliberately for easier reading  :

WBAI in NY, is just 1 of 5 stations of  the Pacifica Radio Fdtn, and is only 1 now in dire distress ...they have just  lost a legal case and a judged ruled about high rent  there - that was not paid in time and thus accumulated  extreme $$$$ amounts in a debt that now due ! 

That means the entire group of 5 will together have to find legal ways to  pay or sell or perhaps swap signals with outside radio stations .. or mortgage properties...


 [as KPFK's bldg may be included - in desperate attempts to gain $$$  to pay WBAI's neglects]. OWCH !

[the above blog posted some here-selected quotes in nov, 2017 :


 **********************************************************************

 ....."It was my hope that this [above] blog would help inspire a desire for recovery - but that was obviously na├»ve thinking on my part.     

It is true that WBAI does not carry commercials or receive financial corporate support, but individual producers have their own hustles going on the air and one could say that the many months of thinly disguised fundraising is equivalent to running infomercials 

in fact, arguably worse, for the products ("premiums") are usually junk, always overpriced, and many times downright fraudulent"...
 

- - - - - -

 "(a  disclaimer ) : As we were for decades been devotedly  loyal, and in trust listened -and donated $$$ =  often generously,  listened intently & regularly, we heard a lot and stayed tuned.   


In those previous times - then without questioning the internals ... there were heard at times,  if not  regularly, a  "Reports to the Listener" by the General Mgr.  

That was a 15 min only - but included live-call-ins with brief questions & concerns voiced - program done democratically, openly.    
    
Some managers discontinued or avoided these limited sessions for actual open-air feedbacks.  Others dared and provided some connection to KPFK management, and if lucky, our call got in ! 

But with everyone rushing to try to speak so directly to those  - otherwise hidden inside radio's darkened caverns of power. and                                                                                      
            
What was actually inside the station was not ever revealed, not by staff,  never on-air, and not even at board meetings. 

 If a  "gag order" was in  contracts or required was also not mentioned, tho it definitely appeared  to be in place, for years or forever.  

Public members can/ could then, attend LSB meetings and mostly listen for 4-5+ hrs with a 1-2 min maybe  "public comment".  


That was directed to LSB [Local Station Board] who never responded a word of affirmation or question and seemed at times to not even attend to those who were not elite-selected-elected to be on  LSB, but  "just the public, listeners, maybe or not donors" visiting. 

Tho Words offered, suggestions or criticisms were never answered, at LSB meeting nor afterwards either. We were there many times. 


 We experienced the silent treatment. And felt like 'like outsiders' vs. part of the whole that we supported ... until years later, we finally 'got the message' and stopped attending, and stopped listening too.

But because of all the spinning, slanting, 'fund-$$$-begging' and limited realistic information available on this 'non- educational' radio station, many of us have listened less, or tried to listen and be 'turned off' promptly by the propaganda and extreme viewpoints slyly or openly declared on-air. 


To turn-off and away means some tidbits or value are lost or unknown to many who have gone elsewhere for a long while now.

News is barely heard on KPFK, and what is falsely represented as "news" is opinion, is reiterated slogans and extreme leftist viewpoints ONLY with their assurance that the programmer/ KPFK is "Right ! must be! gotta be ! " and no one else can  tell them otherwise.

That limited info or slant gets boring quickly. Unless those who want reassurance they too are "right" need reconfirmation repeated, to know they belong to a larger group or org. and are safe in their extreme beliefs. 


Beliefs are not 'news" , not balanced or varied, and are more fanatical and stringent, stuck to 1-story-line 

[ now called a  "narrative" ,or called a  "conversation" amongst pre-agreed spokesperson,  or called "exposing Them" while doing similar acts and hypocrisies at this radio station, and more ] "

someone on the WBAI blog above also wrote:

"They have aired a couple of live discussions for the stated purpose of giving listeners an inside look and an opportunity to voice their opinion, make suggestions, etc. 


We used to have a two-way "Report to the Listener " pgm every week—it was in keeping with the station being in a partnership with its listening sponsors and it proved to be very helpful to us, as well. 

Many excellent ideas came to our producers from hearing criticism as well as  praise. Callers were not screened and, unlike today, neither were they cut off for expressing negative feelings. It's all about communicating and that can only be accomplished if everybody listens as well as speaks.     "

another comment at that site included this info:

..."The judge has set 13 November [2017] as the point at which ESRT [Empire State....= owner / renter ]  can begin attaching and seizing Pacifica bank accounts and assets, and authorization was given by the PNB a few weeks back allowing the iED [interim Exe Director] to immediately file for Chapter 11 [bankruptcy] if necessary to avoid seizures...."

"...No matter what occurs, Pacifica must pay the ESRT [Empire state ..]   $2.2 million and a monthly payment for the ESRT tower that is a minimum of $55,000 per month..."

                              and  another:

"..Tell it like it is, put the blame where it really belongs and strongly demonstrate that it's clean-up time. have former listener-supporters speak freely and not just via phone call....."

                                and another:

"....They're too busy fighting the revolution. In their self-righteous indignation, they insist they have the answers. They know better. After all, they've been running the place since at least the eighties....."  

         
"....letting WBAI out of a bad contract 12 years after signing it....."          
                                        & 
"....Pesky little issues like judgments, liens, bylaws and contracts are not important. What matter is its their station. It belongs to them..."

"...Don't forget that they—in their own limited minds—are lifelong "victims". One does not have to listen long before realizing that they are stuck in an electronic groove with no imagination..."

"...I had [KPFK's] Blosdale's Pacifica archives premium on for a few minutes and got a laugh. The guy on with her (archive manager or whatever his title is) called Franco "The first fascist." 


I guess he never heard of Mussolini......Anyway, it's funny how they mention various people as being on the USB sticks, but just focus on MLK [ Martin L King] . I guess we know what target market they are after...."
 

and both WBAI & KPFK slant towards  showing an obvious preference toward one racial group over others,  & frequently emphasize that minority vs. many other minorities [ per USA  or even CA census numbers, as any regular listener will confirm.]
"...I have heard much mis-information coming from the Pacifica Archives management.

"As for MLK on a stick, he gets disproportionate mention (along with Robeson and Malcolm X, because WBAI's ignorant hucksters are not promoting radio as much as they are trying to sell product. They also underestimate the perception and intelligence of the casual or tuned-out listener...."

"...1300 hundred hours of archives , and yet you hear the same 8 blacks played over and over .But no, these idiots aren't racists . ..."

"...which is what they come off as to me, are obsessed with racial divide, which they promote by professing to be colorblind. ..The few decent people aboard rarely, if ever, speak up against the abuse of WBAI's listener-ship (not to mention Lew Hill's legacy), so the game just goes on

                             and on....

"...If anyone reads a dash of racism into some of these [on WBAI site[ comments, I hope they recognize it as a reaction to the steady flow of race-based, often venomous bile that gushes from 99.5 [NY] in these years of occupancy by opportunistic individuals.
 

.....They are in large measure driven by their own ignorance, abetted by loosely unified factions and individuals whose agenda is a wholly self-serving grab of the reins.
 

......Racism in any form is abhorrent, so I am not excusing it here, whether it comes from me or anyone else, but asking only that we bear in mind that it can manifest itself in the form of mockery.
 

....Present day WBAI assaults intelligence, which was the main ingredient in Lew Hill’s Pacifica concept, a rare prerequisite that attracted listeners of all ethnic origins. 

.....The near total abandonment of honesty and the focus-shift from pursuit of truth to steady huckstering of agenda-compliant racial fantasy has not only prompted a mass exodus of non-black listener-supporters, it has discouraged all people of intellect -

   
......independent black thinkers are equally appalled by the crap they hear on the station, the hateful propaganda, the gross distortion of human history that matches or exceeds that which was drilled into our own developing minds in less enlightened times....."

"...It's hard to parody racists without sounding racist. Parody is to mock in the style of something for ironic effect...."

"....It was a tale told by idiots,  [all of whom] know nothing..."                         

           
 "...Yes. They fall in one of two groups. The first group truly believe their rhetoric. When the bubble bursts around them, they will have a difficult time of it. 

The second group are the ones who have been scheming and conniving all this time. All they have to show for it is a station drowning in debt and far removed from the original Pacifica mission...."

"... a quote from Pacifica in Exile = "The legal bill from Silverman and Silverman, the NY law firm retained by Dan Siegel to defend him from the Cohen vs. Pacifica lawsuit filed in 2008, was collected via bank seizure warrant from the operating account of LA station KPFK last month."...."  



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[ & no one tells Us, the Public, The Listeners, The Stakeholders :   

"who that pays, donates to KPFK knew about this ?  and where their honestly-earned money goes to ?.
....to pay for whom, what, or how  ? "]

(c) bn   2017







Tuesday, October 24, 2017

"uneasy listening" still same at KPFK...more on Matthew Lasar's book

                    This is PART 2 

with quotes taken from Matthew Lasar's book about 
           "Pacifica Radio's Civil War" (c) 2006.

Prior selected quotes [ in a recent post here - with our emphases added occasionally ] was shared mostly for others too to notice how Lasar's writings about Pacifica's conflicts and battles in 1999  are still continued now ... though his book had events assumed to perhaps have ended, or maybe it was his chosen reporting of a time-selected-period 1999 to conclude his part as of 2001.

Surprising  - or dismaying - is that most of what was occurring so long ago are continued.  Barely different tho the players may have different names or pay statuses or positions. 

Many who were involved in Pacifica from those in 1999-2001 remain loyal, involved, are important, and revolve in-out-around the boards of each station. 

Perhaps the new comers have picked up the scent, the mode,  and just stayed on-course - 

repeating 'the-usual-ways-we-do-things-here !'.... 
thus, continuing patterns of what has been at various times a barely financially-viable network org.... 
but it is still surviving.... anyhow.

Yep, all the way to 2017.


Notice all the similarities of old problems, the continuations, the chaos-es,  the repeats, and the very same patterns / ways & processes - that still live on - NOW too. 

A lot had then to do with NY's WBAI.  And this is the very same radio station that continues to currently dominate Pacifica's serious financial troubles - that most recently was revealed and is again, now, payable-due. 

Do all the networked stations then become involved in that repayment ?

Or some be mortgaged for a loan ?

Or what happens if one station like WBAI fails ? 

Do the other 4 survive ? Poorer ? In Debt ? or How ?

Money debts now that may endanger all the other 4 radio stations across country - we ask:  who ends up paying or mortgaging or tapping their funds to pay WBAI's negligences -- that now must be 'paid up'. 

So selections from Lasar's book here are to show how much has been learned or changed or improved, or NOT.

                               "CHAPTER 8 - Frequently Asked Questions"    [p382]

                            [selected quotes are typed up for KPFK listeners' review here]

"..."Did Pacifica's leaders cause the organization's crisis by trying to move the network toward the corporate sector....?"

"...Dissidents repeatedly leveled this charge against the foundation....

"..."They knew what they wanted from Pacifica, and it wasn't just an open debate on the air, it was promotion of their social and political views, their programs, their friends and their businesses, which were tightly interwoven and economically interdependent."

"..."Why did the Pacifica network experience a social explosion from 1999 through 2002 ?"

"...history as 2 stories moving through time, constantly influencing each other....the organization's internal life - always contradictory, volatile, and unstable....ways that people who paid attention to Pacifica defined the network's purpose...made the situation much more challenging....

"....the contradictions Pacifica's founders structured into the organization in the 1940's and 1950's... Lewis Hill and his felow conscientious objectors came out of the Second World War determined to use radio to bring their radical ideas to a mass medium....to break through the marginality to which pacifism had been confined during the war...



"... Hill saw listener-supported noncommercial radio as essential to this task...keep the content of his radio station  free from the influence of advertisers....[then] saw his future radio station's listener-subscribers as a potential source of unwanted pressure...  fear that if they [staff]  shared political power with ...listeners, they ran the risk of being voted out of office....


"... Hill created a structure that gave the franchise to the foundations staff but cut out ..listener-subscribers from any formal role in governance...[he] came to distrust even staff presence on the board....[that] hurt the organization in the long run...

"...WBAI/ KPFA/ KPFK was 'your radio station', listeners constantly heard staff tell them over the air waves...rarely questioning its logic...[as] station answerable to no one other than its own listener-sponsors.. KPFK declared in a public statement in 2001 ...


"...In reality the opposite condition prevailed. KPFK...answered legally to the FCC, the CPB [Corporation of Public Broadcasting], the IRS and the Pacifica national board - in other words, everyone but the frequency's listener-subscribers...



"... in fact, creators of Pacifica's 2nd radio station, KPFK, did not even want to join the foundation... reconstruction of the organization...came with a significant internal price tag....dislocation of hundreds of programmers....[who] had no equivalent venues to which to transfer their broadcasting activities ....

[ as programmers had no other access to broadcast on-air freely, as they did at Pacifica - they had an elite, special position of power that was not even then admitted as such, but used for their benefit  - as well as sharing  their biased, selective information on air ]

"...By 1999 Pacifica .had become a social explosion waiting to happen.  Pacifica, not the stations OWNED THE STATION'S LICENSE.  ...actual truth came [out] ...all the money and work they [supporters ] had given for years meant nothing....a naked power struggle now ensued in the streets and the courts....

[p.403]  ".... they lost any sense of the values they sought to promulgate elsewhere - openness, democracy and free speech. ...[p.409]    


"...founding regulators of U.S. broadcasting told us in their Radio Act of 1927. 
 "Broadcasting stations are licensed to serve the public...and not for the purpose of furthering the private or selfish interests of individuals or groups."....     ###


The book quoted above is available at Los Angeles Public Library and at other book sellers also.   


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There are more details, stories and concerns in the book of 430 pages. We wish there were others now willing to do that much work: collecting, sorting, organizing, recording and writing as honestly as possible of what does happen in this unique USA radio organization. 

There does Not seem to be anyone else willing to exert themselves  & to record facts, events neutrally and truth-fully. 

To tell us all what happens to "our radio station" as stakeholders, as donors, as sustainers, as payers 

-- and what consequences there to the secret silences of what is occurring to our KPFK - and all who  have dedicated attempts to OPEN and share what reasonably can be achieved to end the  constant claims of poverty. 

All of us,  freedom-claiming-loving folks want to stop hearing the pity-party-stories on air and all the obvious biases and strident angry attacks on all /any others ....

so that there may be some harmony, some agreements, acknowledgements and appreciations - also of what is not available on KPFK airwaves. 

So that all those well intended words & plans can INCLUDE more than the seriously slanted versions heard here : 
of what are  'facts' instead of 'let me tell you The Reality'  or the  we-know-the-"Only-Truth" claims - which are old-tired-cliched lines - repeated everywhere else too. 

And why these actions keep stations eventually stuck and repetitively re-cycled into the continual money-problems we hear about too often ?  

And recognize from how the repeated excessive-fund -$$$- begging sessions actually distance any radio listeners, even tho the intent is to keep them at the Pacifica stations - like big-transmittered  KPFK - but then doesn't.  Many turn away.

(c) mj   2017








Monday, October 16, 2017

KPFK is part of Pacifica which networks 5 radio stations, so.....

Many loyal people who have long worked and dedicated too many hours and efforts to Pacifica, KPFK or any of the other radio stations also, have expressed their dismay and concerns about the latest ' bad news' - the NYC radio station owes a huge debt to it's landowner and who all ends up PAYING the bills if WBAI in NYC cannot pay is still not clarified....at least not to us. 

Some have written their thoughts, questions, concerns and there are quotes, mostly edited and selected to address the issue [and avoiding personal identifications or rants read too].

A few interesting tid bits are included below, for sharing information that may affect all / any KPFK donors / stakeholders too.  That may be costly and unexpected, especially when KPFK staff repeatedly Claim loudly that they are on the verge of...........[you've surely heard it repeatedly....]

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from a Questionner re WBAI debt –    


"I still dont know how much KPFK will owe on that debt from way across the continent? "

 ".... and the * secrecy* surrounding it for several years,  *obscured* the scale of the problem. By the time the lawsuit was filed.... , it  was too late. ....       the law does not often protect from the consequences of poor decisions, and it did not do so in this case. But Pacifica is in the position that its assets are larger than its debts.... . 4 real estate properties in 3 different cities total at least $10 million dollars in value and 5 major market broadcast licenses represent at least $150 million....... “         

[  while each stations claims destitution, being so poor and 'sky is falling' continually and at least 4x/ yr each ? huh ? ]

another knowingly wrote: ........" Any proposed broadcast license transfers would be subject to a .... vote by the network's donors, in addition to the governance  board. The summary judgment, if not paid, would open the Foundation to eventual collection efforts, which could take the form of bank account sweeps or real estate liens, so action will have to be taken fairly soon to avoid that. ....."  


and the former continues : [so when have any DONORS been notified, informed, asked to vote on  anything of essence at Pacifica or KPFK even ? ever ? How does that work - do they go back how far, how many years? how big a donation counts for a say ? who decides what are parameters set to insure that they get the vote-results they want... just as data-stats areoften  formulated around carefully calculated perimeters to get to the preferred # and msg the statics-quoter wants to present- mostly biased but with their hidden methodology , of course ]
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More has been written re WBAI lawsuit - imagining how to pay for Empire State Bldg for renting the transmission tower  there. The basic are this:



Total defeat for Pacifica. Judge granted Summary Judgment of, I think, $1.8 million, to ESB. Rejected our "unconsionable" argument.”


A reporter wrote in Sept:   RE WBAI - and she is usually correct and reporting mostly ‘facts’   - so ABOUT:     what happens if NY debts then affects all 4 stations too, Is there a financial sybiosis [?] are all stations being $$$ tied together ? or stuck with each others’ problems that then spill over easily…? do they ?


  “For clarity.    WBAI did not sign the 2005 lease agreement with the  Empire State Building. Pacifica did. WBAI moved their transmitter to the  Empire State Building in 1960 and has paid rent to that propertyy for half a century. In 2004-2005, a lease expired and the renegotiation was impacted by the dramatic loss of tower rental space elsewhere in the NY Area after the destruction of the World Trade Center. 

At that time, neither 4 Times Square nor the Jersey skyline had the tall buildings and tower capacity they have now,    so the market was essentially a monopoly for full range radio broadcasting.    
 "Empire State took full advantage and tried to sign as many of their existing clients as they could to long-term licenses with very large annual rent increases that would not make any sense in a competitive market. That is how supply and demand works, not to the buyers advantage when there is no other supply. There was no other deal to turn down.

"The negotiations were handled by ...but felt that any other option which would have severely reduced WBAI's signal was at that time a severe economic threat to Pacifica, as WBAI at that time accounted for $3.5 million in annual revenue - 22% of Pacifica's total - including it's largest CPB grant.  

"..... believed or hoped that either Pacifica would grow enough in the ensuing decade that the increased expense would become affordable or that the addition of competition to the tower market in the coming years would result in the lease being adjusted by the landlord. Neither of those two things occurred and WBAI became weaker over the years, not stronger.
Pacifica did try to move to another tower location. It didn't seem to be a priority until the 2009-2010 period, but I worked on it quite a bit in  2011-2012 and and eventually there was an offer to move the transmitter  to 4 Times Square at 1/4 the rent and financing assistance for a transmitter replacement.            Pacifica has been unable to execute on that  much better option for the past four years because the existing lease  does not expire until 2020 and the Empire State Building has not been willing to let Pacifica leave early. I pointed out for several years that the lease allowed for subletting the space, but no one acted on it. After more competition came online, there were not too many other customers for a sublet transmitter space costing 4 times the market value. ....[maybe] but it was the only way out of the lease....., and it did not materialize.  

"It's better to be reality-based in what you say. “

A repy partly said


"But simplistic “you broke it now pay for it” sermonizing will not address the issue..:  this is a contract, and must  be re-negotiated to take into account the reduced circumstances of one of the parties.  Stop trying to make it into a religious cause. ..."

And another  contradicted & wrote:  

 "....WBAI did NOT rent the ESB space in 1960 ! We had our antenna hookup on a rooftop in midtown (a much lower building, a less powerful transmitter). I made the decision and worked with the FCC (and an out-of-state station on the same frequency) so my knowledge is first hand. I don’t know where you got your information on this, but you had better check them out.     I’m not even sure that the ESB had installed their multi-antenna system in 1960. We were among the first stations to sign up....  "

also other writings said:    

 "We have to suddenly do things differently if we are to survive        ‘the fundamental and not paid attention issue to deal with is why the amount of people listening per hour declined steadily for over twenty years at WBAI and frankly every other Pacifica station….
NO avoid dealing with the implications of what that means.;.... a sudden end to all the obstacles of experimentation and augmentation to the existing grid must happen...the existing grid is at present incapable of making anything beyond the amount of money it has generated for the past few years not only because of premiums issues but more importantly impact issues...it no longer has large amounts of people listening...trying to get more money is exhausting .
"We need to reinvent and revolutionize  what we are doing..that has been needed for years  with a different tone, content and excitement we would be able to attract people with money to help....We do need immediately a practical means of audience involvement..."          

More pertinent quotes here about clarifying how Pacifica's bylaws are used, to elucidate some more about who pays whose debts, like WBAI's current ones :  

    
 “ PNB has authority to interpret the Foundation's bylaws where they are ambiguous, and no such authority where they are not ambiguous. …..he Pacifica Foundation owns all five radio stations and is ultimately responsible for all station debts.... The law does not recognize the individual Pacifica stations as distinct financial entities.... some months ago tens of thousands of dollars were seized from a KPFK bank account to satisfy or partially satisfy a court judgement awarding attorney fees for a case involving WBAI.                                     For internal accounting purposes, KPFK has probably billed WBAI for reimbursement, but WBAI is unlikely to ever pay that bill…        

"In practice, a dispute on bylaws interpretation typically won't be brought to the Board's attention unless a Board Member raises a Point of Order claiming that bylaws are being misinterpreted....[ paragraph 2] make inconsistent rulings to the advantage of whichever faction has a majority when an individual case is presented…Most attempts at bylaws amendment in Pacifica fail to received approval,… bylaws do not identify the Parliamentarian as an officer on the national or local boards, and the Rules say that the only officers allowed are those specified in the bylaws...(so are ) are advisory only.... ..

Repeating of Questions needing factual information - here noted:  

 "...how  are any/ all of the other 4 radio stations financially liable for any 1's failure, debts, misfortunes,  or bad decisions?   Is that written down in by laws or elsewhere ?   what are the factual obligations ?   and who pays ?    has this happened before too , historically?        

"Q 2. Who is ultimately responsible for supervising  the managements/ head staff at any  and all radio stations?  [ instead of a large disparate group:  called PNB?  ]       Does anyone actually have any enforcement power ?    and allowed to use it when needed?    like if:    strange attitudes/ behaviors repeatedly are noticed by many who are involved & concerned...and also:    who recommends or authorizes any kind of Reliable Evaluation on that person ?       Or asks for drug testing ?     or insures that everyone else involved at that station or other ones are not then left to pick up pieces strewn around ? 
                           
"Q 3.  The interesting part of this group's writers are the very different styles, views, opinions, historical references about themselves and even bits of rants. But what is honest-trustworthy-reliable actual-Information here ?     How to sort thru the many 'voices' shouting, a few more politely than others, but everyone demanding to be "right" .. so asking:   how to sort out what is believable finally  ?      It gets confusing... or is that how
 'it is suppose to be" ?    and admittedly, this all also  is  fascinating.... 
we need to learn so much ..."

“do they have a fiduciary to the member //listener to -----  answer to ------  right now any hired and elected official can be personal sued ,,, for the liability coverage has elapsed and not sure ?    ..[and more. ] "
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Any actual solutions as to who/ how/ what and when the monies owed by a NYC radio station are to come from any other radio stations across the USA has not been clarified to those who are not part of the inner circles of the Pacifica Nat'l Board nor  from the interim Executive Director's words - yet.


The local worries and concerns about "KPFK is going to...." fail or go bankrupt or whatever implications can be made from all the fund-drives, money-grubbing claims of being on an edge or soon-to-be-extinct give rise to Questions not yet revealed.

"The KPFK public", just like "the American People "  are not actually given full or actual/ factual information, only repeatedly asked to believe-all-we-say and pay-up, in IRS / state taxes or in station-donations. Same attitude prevails. 

Those who pay $$$ are EXPECTED to comply and generously and on-time, repeatedly. Those who know what else is going on inside [the govt, the US treasury, the KPFK budget or financial status or even how it is being managed] is not revealed. It is a SECRET, of course.

That is also the sign of all dysfunctional families, communities, nations and even the UN or other more broad organizations  all play the same routine blithely. 

An educational & older book that spoke  relevantly to some of these systemic [organizational] dysfunctions are also here:
                         
please see amazon site for book cover image = not able to copy, after all. sorry.

https://www.amazon.com/Society-Becomes-Addict-Wilson-Schaef/dp/0062548549

(c) mj 2017